Memoq Fuzzy Matches that do not match! Thread poster: TargamaT team
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TargamaT team 
France
Local time: 01:21
Member (2010)
English to Arabic
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I am really unhappy with Memoq Fuzzy Matches that do not match at all!
I was surprised that "subscription" matches with "description" at 69%, "Inherent Materiality" matches with "Building Materials" at 62%... This represents a 30% loss for my turnover.
I did not investigate if Trados has the same issue and I would to know if this feature is configurable.
| | | | | Useless matches | Nov 26, 2023 |
A fuzzy match is only a calculation, and there is no obligation to use them if translating from scratch takes less time.
Matches below 75% concordance are widely viewed as irrelevant in most languages, even by the meanest agencies. Therefore agencies that apply a matrix with discounts on 50-74% are crooks.
Other agencies don't consider a match below 85% as a useful match (i.e. saving time, i.e. worth a discount).
Philippe
Edit: To lower your earnings ... See more A fuzzy match is only a calculation, and there is no obligation to use them if translating from scratch takes less time.
Matches below 75% concordance are widely viewed as irrelevant in most languages, even by the meanest agencies. Therefore agencies that apply a matrix with discounts on 50-74% are crooks.
Other agencies don't consider a match below 85% as a useful match (i.e. saving time, i.e. worth a discount).
Philippe
Edit: To lower your earnings even more, mean agencies can apply other options and features on top of their unsustainable discount grids, possibly in Tools>Options (lookup settings...) and in the Statistics window (homogeneity, tag penalties...). Then, even with a decent "full rate", you end up with a poor hourly rate because the weighted wordcount no longer reflects at all the effort needed with all differents cuts made.
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| | | | | Not just an earnings issue | Nov 26, 2023 |
I use memoQ statistics to gauge how much work I have left to do.
Thinking, as seems reasonable, that with luck, a 70% match won't need as much work as a no-match segment.
But in recent months (years?), it seems memoQ counts almost any "[noun] de [noun]" in French as a pretty high match for any other "[noun] de [noun]" - this is an example I keep seeing, that I do not recall as being much of an issue way back.
I nearly posted about it myself, wondering if it is my ... See more I use memoQ statistics to gauge how much work I have left to do.
Thinking, as seems reasonable, that with luck, a 70% match won't need as much work as a no-match segment.
But in recent months (years?), it seems memoQ counts almost any "[noun] de [noun]" in French as a pretty high match for any other "[noun] de [noun]" - this is an example I keep seeing, that I do not recall as being much of an issue way back.
I nearly posted about it myself, wondering if it is my settings (I more or less use memoQ as it comes, out of the box, I think), hence the OP attracted my attention. ▲ Collapse
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| Submit a ticket | Nov 27, 2023 |
Tell memoQ support about the issue and ask if they have any suggestions for adjusting your settings so that doesn't happen.
If it's being imposed on you by an agency, I'd talk to the PM. If they don't see the problem with it, time to get rid of that agency if you can afford to.
FWIW, I have not noticed that issue with German as a source language.
| | | | | Nothing new, sadly. Matches under 75% are often irrelevant, but may also be highly relevant | Nov 27, 2023 |
Here are some "hits" from an EN-DE collection I compiled in 2015/2016 while working with the then-current memoQ version, corroborating your experience and what Philippe and Charlie wrote:
"Meta-analysis (2)" was a 73% TM match for "2".
"Effector T cell" was a 65% match for "T:".
"System Organ Class" was a 65% match for "System".
"Round window" was a 69% match for "Ground".
Conversely, "Response Evaluation Criteria in Solid Tumors (RECIST) guideline... See more Here are some "hits" from an EN-DE collection I compiled in 2015/2016 while working with the then-current memoQ version, corroborating your experience and what Philippe and Charlie wrote:
"Meta-analysis (2)" was a 73% TM match for "2".
"Effector T cell" was a 65% match for "T:".
"System Organ Class" was a 65% match for "System".
"Round window" was a 69% match for "Ground".
Conversely, "Response Evaluation Criteria in Solid Tumors (RECIST) guidelines" was only a 75% match for "Response Evaluation Criteria in Solid Tumours (RECIST) guidelines" (in a different font).
"Pre-amplification primer mix (white)" was only a 54% match for "Preamplification primer mix (white)".
And the German "Unsere Methode/Techniken" had a match rate of under 50% for "Unsere Methoden / Techniken".
So what I would suggest is:
1. Generally do not offer any discounts for match rates under 85%, and never give any discounts for match rates under 75%.
2. Set the minimum match threshold in memoQ as low as 50% to catch TM hits that are in fact very similar, but do not waste any thoughts/surprise/anger on the many totally irrelevant TM hits you will also see then.
(I remember that I had similar problems when I used to work with Trados.)
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| | | | Stepan Konev
Russian Federation
Local time: 02:21
English to Russian
| Pros and cons | Nov 27, 2023 |
Weirdly, I have a TM that behaves in a different way. I can't explain that. They all (7 TMs) have the same settings. Some of them even have the same month and year of creation. But only one of them behaves as expected (TM2) unlike others (TM1 and other).
[Edited at 2023-11-27 ... See more Weirdly, I have a TM that behaves in a different way. I can't explain that. They all (7 TMs) have the same settings. Some of them even have the same month and year of creation. But only one of them behaves as expected (TM2) unlike others (TM1 and other).
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| | | | TargamaT team
France
Local time: 01:21
Member (2010)
English to Arabic
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TOPIC STARTER | Thank you all! | Nov 27, 2023 |
Actually, I was not aware that < 70% matches does not mean that it is really a match.
In most cases, you will not notice it in 5k words file. But when you work with larger files you will notice it.
The issue is that I was working on the client's server and I started to notice this issue as it becames frequent.
I appreciate your feedback, especially since you are working with Latin-related languages. You can imagine that when working with English/French/Germ... See more Actually, I was not aware that < 70% matches does not mean that it is really a match.
In most cases, you will not notice it in 5k words file. But when you work with larger files you will notice it.
The issue is that I was working on the client's server and I started to notice this issue as it becames frequent.
I appreciate your feedback, especially since you are working with Latin-related languages. You can imagine that when working with English/French/German-Arabic combinations the issue is more evident.
I will be very vigilant and will not consider less than 85% as matches!
All the best!
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Only now did the memoQ email doomsday machine notify me of this topic.
For short strings, memoQ considers characters instead of words, which would explain the described behaviour. I generally don't give discounts below 75%.
| | | | | Hopeless below 70% | Dec 17, 2023 |
As above, I always bin anything below a 70% match too, and certainly don't offer discounts for them...
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