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当地人也会犯错 Sep 21, 2015

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Here are some Austin landmarks whose pronunciations are unique to Austinites ...

Steve,

这很有意思。我在奥斯汀生活了那么多年,除了 Pflugerville 以外,这些地名我都会念错。话说回来,土生土长的北京人,也会念错北京的某些地名。我估计,现在北京的年青人中,恐怕99%会把“演乐胡同”念成“Yan Le Hu Tong”或“Yan Yue Hu Tong”,但不会把“锣鼓巷”念成“罗锅儿巷”。不过我认为,把“罗锅儿巷”改为“锣鼓巷”改得非常好!

看看这些北京地名,能念对多少?
http://www.geochina.com/article-1500-1.html


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老北京 Sep 21, 2015

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看看这些北京地名,能念对多少?
http://www.geochina.com/article-1500-1.html


I knew about these 6 out of the 10 ...

大栅栏(大十烂儿)
阜成门(fǔ成门)
东四十条(东四、十条)
给孤寺(机古四儿)
积水潭(积水“滩”)
西苑(西苑yúan)

but wasn't aware of the following 4 ...

演乐胡同(演耀yào胡同)
钱粮胡同(钱lòu胡同)
锣鼓巷(罗锅儿巷)
花枝胡同(花子胡同)


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我也是老奥斯丁了 Sep 21, 2015



wherestip wrote:

Here are some Austin landmarks whose pronunciations are unique to Austinites ...


Steve,

这很有意思。我在奥斯汀生活了那么多年,除了 Pflugerville 以外,这些地名我都会念错。


没想到两位都在奥斯丁,好高兴!平常由于忙碌,很少来这里聊天,真是重大发现。我来奥斯丁已经超过20年,入行翻译也有8年之久,还在不断学习,所谓学无止境。

话回Steve的帖子,虽然算是老奥斯丁了,但Koenig和New Braunfels还是发错音,甚至打字时还会在“Braun”后下意识地加个“"s",其他的倒是都过了关。。。


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太好了 Sep 21, 2015

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我也是老奥斯丁了

没想到两位都在奥斯丁,好高兴!平常由于忙碌,很少来这里聊天,真是重大发现。我来奥斯丁已经超过20年,入行翻译也有8年之久,还在不断学习,所谓学无止境。

话回Steve的帖子,虽然算是老奥斯丁了,但Koenig和New Braunfels还是发错音,甚至打字时还会在“Braun”后下意识地加个“"s",其他的倒是都过了关。。。



purpleclover,

That's great. I'm glad to see another fellow Austinite participate in our forum. BTW, I got my BSEE from UT, Austin; so we also share the same alma mater.


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Hook 'em Horns! Sep 21, 2015


purpleclover,

That's great. I'm glad to see another fellow Austinite participate in our forum. BTW, I got my BSEE from UT, Austin; so we also share the same alma mater.



I have never come across any local professional Chinese translators before, due to my small social circles. So excited to meet you here. Proz is a nice platform with many experienced translators like you guys and I will try to visit more often!



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欢迎 Sep 21, 2015

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我也是老奥斯丁了

虽然你是老奥斯丁,但比 Steve 和我年轻多了。欢迎常来聊天!


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情有可原 Sep 21, 2015

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but wasn't aware of the following 4 ...

演乐胡同(演耀yào胡同)
钱粮胡同(钱lòu胡同)
锣鼓巷(罗锅儿巷)
花枝胡同(花子胡同)

Steve,

祝贺你通过了“考试”。 这四个确实不大容易想到。估计很多人都会念错。把“演乐胡同”念成“yǎn yuè hú tòng”比较合乎常理。乐字只有当喜好、欣赏讲时才念 yào ,如知者乐水,仁者乐山。似乎某些方言中,是把乐器念为 yào qì 的。

http://baike.baidu.com/view/341844.htm
演乐胡同,据云是明教坊司演奏音乐之处。


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variations Sep 22, 2015

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ysun wrote:
当年我刚到北京上学时,把大栅栏念成“dà zhà lán”。几位北京同学听了笑得前仰后合,笑得我莫名其妙。他们告诉我,应该念“大拾烂儿”!虽然我不理解为什么要这么念,但我想他们是北京人,这么念应该不会错。于是,“不理解也得执行”

Yueyin,

那你还算好的呢,记得航院里我爸的同事一板一眼管它叫 “dà shān lán” 的南方人大有人在,就连我也是以后上了高中要跑城里才知道大栅栏北京话应该怎样说。  


Steve,

那你还算好的呢,自从 “dà shān lán” 的发音被纠正以后,至今我们沿用的发音是 “大石蜡”,除此还有一个奇怪的儿化音版本。


wherestip wrote:
ysun wrote:
看看这些北京地名,能念对多少?
http://www.geochina.com/article-1500-1.html

I knew about these 6 out of the 10 ...

but wasn't aware of the following 4 ...

演乐胡同(演耀yào胡同)
钱粮胡同(钱lòu胡同)
锣鼓巷(罗锅儿巷)
花枝胡同(花子胡同)


报告孙先生,我比 Steve 还多错了一条。 我去南锣鼓巷游过大半天,到现在才知道原来去的是罗锅儿巷; 不过当时要知道正确的发音,说不定就不去了。


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我也是老奥斯丁了


欢迎老奥斯丁!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZu0eX8V1qU




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西四牌楼、 东四牌楼 等 Sep 22, 2015

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Steve,

祝贺你通过了“考试”。 这四个确实不大容易想到。估计很多人都会念错。把“演乐胡同”念成“yǎn yuè hú tòng”比较合乎常理。乐字只有当喜好、欣赏讲时才念 yào ,如知者乐水,仁者乐山。似乎某些方言中,是把乐器念为 yào qì 的。

http://baike.baidu.com/view/341844.htm
演乐胡同,据云是明教坊司演奏音乐之处。


Yueyin,

是这样。 北京一些地名若不知道其历史背景和名称来历,这种奇特的读法是很难料到的。


~*~*~*~*~*

西单、西四、东单、东四 几处以前建有牌楼我是知道的,但今天看了下面一篇短文,我才晓得这几个地名分别和所建牌楼的座数有关。 

http://www.huaxia.com/ly/fsdl/00260578.html
     东单西单的名称来历--只因牌楼就一个


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单牌楼、四牌楼 Sep 22, 2015

Steve,

确实如此,很多北京地名都有其背后的故事。对于西单、西四、东单、东四,我以前也是只知其然而不知其所以然。以前听老北京人提起“西四牌楼”时,我还以为是指“西四的牌楼”呢。这两篇文章详细介绍了那些牌楼,其中还有照片,包括北京奥运前在西单重建的“瞻云”牌楼:

http://www.360doc.com/content/13/0517/08/7046489_286012083.shtml

http://www.360doc.com/content/13/0517/08/7046489_286012428.shtml


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奋章胡同 Sep 22, 2015

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我去南锣鼓巷游过大半天,到现在才知道原来去的是罗锅儿巷; 不过当时要知道正确的发音,说不定就不去了。

北京的许多胡同都有其背后的故事。如果你知道奋章胡同原来的名称,你还会去吗?

话说回来,既然“罗锅儿巷”已改为“锣鼓巷”,“花子胡同”已改为“花枝胡同”,我认为还是应该按照规范的拼音来念。


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百花深处 Sep 22, 2015

以前我在新街口住时,常步行去附近的桂香村、护国寺小吃店买糕点和小吃,路上总会看见百花深处胡同。我总想到“百花深处”探个究竟,无奈饥肠辘辘,就无心赏花了。



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一去不复返 Sep 22, 2015

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Steve,

确实如此,很多北京地名都有其背后的故事。对于西单、西四、东单、东四,我以前也是只知其然而不知其所以然。以前听老北京人提起“西四牌楼”时,我还以为是指“西四的牌楼”呢。这两篇文章详细介绍了那些牌楼,其中还有照片,包括北京奥运前在西单重建的“瞻云”牌楼:

http://www.360doc.com/content/13/0517/08/7046489_286012083.shtml

http://www.360doc.com/content/13/0517/08/7046489_286012428.shtml


Yueyin,

谢谢你提供以上的链接。这些旧照很有意思。和北京许多地方一样,京城的一些旧貌经过拆迁已是一去不复返了。 惟大多牌楼 50 年代期间就给拆除了。

我想当时政府面对的问题也很棘手。虽是历史古迹,但阻碍交通, 也是不得不拆。


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北京地名的儿化韵 Sep 22, 2015

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Steve,

那你还算好的呢,自从 “dà shān lán” 的发音被纠正以后,至今我们沿用的发音是 “大石蜡”,除此还有一个奇怪的儿化音版本。



QHE,

记得我最初和 Yueyin 一样,也读作 dà zhà lan(栏为轻音)。

说起儿化韵,有的地名一定要儿化,否则听着就不对味儿。 比如 新街口、豁口、小西天、紫竹院、动物园 等等,北京当地人一般对这些地名都要儿化。 但这不一定有什么规律,比如 颐和园、清华园、北医三院、故宫博物院 等等, 如果儿化就闹笑话了。 ( 这你懂的   )


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关键还是思想问题 Sep 22, 2015

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我想当时政府面对的问题也很棘手。虽是历史古迹,但阻碍交通, 也是不得不拆。

Steve,

我认为,关键还是有关当局对保留历史古迹的意义认识不足。有人说:“北京拆牌楼,城门打洞也哭鼻子。这是政治问题”。如果真想保留,办法总是会有的,阻碍交通恐怕不是理由。从照片上看,那些牌楼又高又宽 ,中间那条道可同时过两辆电车。两边的通道也很宽。如果还嫌马路不够宽,可以把那些马路改为单行道。例如,北行的车辆走西四大街,南行的车辆走皇城根大街或赵登禹路。林徽因曾痛心疾首地说:“等你们有朝一日认识到文物的价值,却只能悔之晚矣,造假古董罢”。很不幸,林徽因的预言已变成事实。君不见,现在全国各地都在大造假古董?

我觉得,最令人惋惜的是北京那些被拆掉的城墙和城门楼。不过你我总算还目睹过它们的风采。现在的年青人,恐怕不一定知道为什么会有阜内大街和阜外大街之分了。

http://blog.ifeng.com/article/31623740.html


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