| Număr de pagini: < [1 2] | Working for competing companies Inițiatorul discuției: Aya Deutsch
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Tom in London
Regatul Unit
Local time: 08:39
Membru (2008)
din italiană în engleză
| Still waiting for an answer... | Feb 27, 2019 |
How did they know you were working for another agency?
| | | | John Fossey 
Canada
Local time: 03:39
Membru (2008)
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| Cannot confirm or deny | Feb 27, 2019 |
Aya Deutsch wrote:
I then received an email from the contact person: "It’s come to our attention that you’re working with XXX. Can I check which project you’re working on there? It is likely a conflict for us".
I replied: "I do all kinds of projects for XXX. However, none of them relates to YYYY or to ZZZ. Where do you see a possible conflict?"
I see a problem here. If I were asked such a question, I think I would reply that professional confidentiality prevents me from identifying - including to confirm or deny - what other companies I do work for, especially competitors.
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Tom in London wrote:
How did they know you were working for another agency?
OP said she uses agency names in her advertising.
John Fossey wrote:
If I were asked such a question, I think I would reply that professional confidentiality prevents me from identifying - including to confirm or deny - what other companies I do work for, especially competitors.
Not everyone is bound by non-disclosure agreements. Saying that you work for Reputable Agency X could be a legitimate marketing strategy.
| | | | Tom in London
Regatul Unit
Local time: 08:39
Membru (2008)
din italiană în engleză
[quote]Chris S wrote:
Tom in London wrote:
How did they know you were working for another agency?
OP said she uses agency names in her advertising.
Thanks Chris - didn't notice that.
The lesson to be learned is: don't mention agency names in your advertising !
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John Fossey
Canada
Local time: 03:39
Membru (2008)
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| Code of Ethics | Feb 27, 2019 |
Chris S wrote:
Not everyone is bound by non-disclosure agreements.
True, but professional confidentiality goes beyond a NDA. The Code of Ethics of the American Translators Association puts it this way:
"Clients expect their information to be held in strict confidence. This includes information conveyed in a translation or during interpreting, as well as the very fact that the translation or interpreting has taken place."
| | | | DZiW (X)
Ucraina
din engleză în rusă
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| it still doesn't add | Feb 27, 2019 |
John, in the distorted "free" translation market without marketing, there're still vague points such as:
1) If a client allowed to name him, then it's ok;
2) American [and others] jurisdictions prohibit ex post facto laws;
3) The parties should execute the contract, no reinterpretations;
4) This NDA has little to do with it for
- there're no relevant provisions and
- it was very PM who allegedly didn't see previous translation jobs.
ALL freelancers are working with biz competitors a priori
Considering they are playing dirty, I would consult a lawyer and squeeze about a grant as penalty from such white-collar rogues, naming their "funny rules" where appropriate.
[Edited at 2019-02-27 15:17 GMT]
| | | | Lincoln Hui
Hong Kong
Local time: 15:39
Utilizator
din chineză în engleză
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| So a cancellation | Feb 27, 2019 |
Project gets cancelled, you get paid the prorated portion of what you did. Shrug and move on. The reason doesn't matter one jolt, and especially in this case the further you pursue this, the more likely you're going to end up with egg on your face.
Some industry segments are tiny and if you spend enough time in it you'll basically have dealings with just about every relevant player. I don't talk specific projects and I don't play favorites, but I don't deny that I work for multiple ... See more Project gets cancelled, you get paid the prorated portion of what you did. Shrug and move on. The reason doesn't matter one jolt, and especially in this case the further you pursue this, the more likely you're going to end up with egg on your face.
Some industry segments are tiny and if you spend enough time in it you'll basically have dealings with just about every relevant player. I don't talk specific projects and I don't play favorites, but I don't deny that I work for multiple competing companies, and in some cases they even know which ones (WWAs are public, after all). ▲ Collapse
| | | | | For what it's worth | Feb 27, 2019 |
A massive global company uses a local communication agency in some local region, and this communication agency is explicitely required NOT to get ANY business from any of the global company's competitors.
For example, Peugeot would require that their communication agency never handle any local event hosted by Renault.
And since everybody talks to everybody and knows everything that happens in the event industry on a local level, there is no way you can conceal anything, besides putti... See more A massive global company uses a local communication agency in some local region, and this communication agency is explicitely required NOT to get ANY business from any of the global company's competitors.
For example, Peugeot would require that their communication agency never handle any local event hosted by Renault.
And since everybody talks to everybody and knows everything that happens in the event industry on a local level, there is no way you can conceal anything, besides putting your whole reputation on the line.
Up to the communication agency to accept this requirement or lose the business.
I don't know whether the agency's providers are also bound by these terms. But if you're big enough to get whatever you want, why be shy.
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DZiW (X)
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Philippe, one should tell "worked" and "works" from "working now", not to mention that (A) an agency cannot manage/limit their* freelancers as employees and (B) there was no fault with the translator for neither NDA, nor the contract was broken from her side--it was a PM's "mistake".
As for "Peugeot ... never ... Renault" remarks, just check the wikiwiki regarding buying and cooperation with many "competitors"--right since its foundation. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Jean Lachaud
Statele Unite
Local time: 03:39
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Aya Deutsch wrote:
b. I see advertising the companies I work for as an advantage.
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freelancers, we ALL work for competing agencies - they ALL are competition to each other. We shall not be involved in their individual coalitions and\or battles. You made a mistake by answering that question, whether you work with that other agency. Business ethics dictates that we do not disclose anything about our customers to any other our customers.
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Jean Lachaud wrote: Aya Deutsch wrote:
b. I see advertising the companies I work for as an advantage.
If this information was and is open to public, you violated nothing. They DID. Law shall be on your side to protect you from bad business practices.
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