Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Hungarian term or phrase:
lőcsatorna
English translation:
bullet track / terminal trajectory
Added to glossary by
Péter Tófalvi
Oct 17, 2009 14:59
14 yrs ago
Hungarian term
Hungary
Your guide in the Tower of Babel
Native in: Hungarian 
, Romanian (Variant: Romania)
Works in: English to Hungarian, Hungarian to Romanian, Romanian to Hungarian, and 6 more.
lőcsatorna
Hungarian to English
Medical
Medical (general)
kriminológia, haditechnika, orvostudomány
Proposed translations
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| 5 +2 | bullet track / terminal trajectory |
juvera
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| 5 +1 | bullet channel |
Katalin Szilárd
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| 3 | projectile chamber |
Katarina Peters
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| 2 +1 | wound path |
kyanzes
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Proposed translations
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bullet track / terminal trajectory
A bullet track a használatos kifejezés, a terminal trajectory a lövedék egész útvonalának csak egy része, ezért csak akkor használják, ha a többiről is szó van.
Ez röviden és értelmesen elmondja:
www.enotes.com/forensic-science/bullet-track
Ha a lövedék behatol és bentmarad, akkor "bullet lodged in the ...." (ahol megakad, pl. "brain"), és akkor csak "entry hole / entrance wound" található, ha keresztül halad, akkor van exit hole / exit wound is.
Ez röviden és értelmesen elmondja:
www.enotes.com/forensic-science/bullet-track
Ha a lövedék behatol és bentmarad, akkor "bullet lodged in the ...." (ahol megakad, pl. "brain"), és akkor csak "entry hole / entrance wound" található, ha keresztül halad, akkor van exit hole / exit wound is.
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Katalin Horváth McClure
: Én ezt használnám, mert bűnügyi témáról, boncolási jegyzőkönyvről van szó, gondolom.
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Köszönöm. Mint itt is: ...the bullet track could be seen through the (L) cerebellar fossa... cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/bsunday/mcclean.htm
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Daniel Pankovics (X)
: http://www.ct.gov/Csao/cwp/view.asp?a=1802&q=413110 http://www.mystical-www.co.uk/jfk.htm http://www.denverda.org/News_Release/Decision_Letters/02Smit...
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Köszönöm.
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Katarina Peters
Canada
Canada
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Works in field
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Accuracy and A1 presentation
Native in: Hungarian , English (Variant: US)
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Katalin Szilárd
Hungary
Hungary
Native in Hungarian
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bullet channel
Orvosi vonatkozásban ez a kifejezés használatos.
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:iJGG526VKfEJ:sparllc.co...
http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA333988.
"The bullet channel resembles a crater.... The powerful
shock wave increases the area of dead tissue dozens of
times over. An experienced surgeon knows how much
has to be cut away in the case of such wounds."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/508049
"[Possibilities of determining the caliber and the manner and velocity of the shot from the morphology of the bullet channel in the cranial bones]"
https://oa.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/2120/woundbal.pdf...
"43 To hospital an injured patient is delivered by a shooting-iron with strong bleeding. It is set at a review by a surgeon, that a bullet channel got through the anterior wall of stomach, vault of stomach and went out at level ІХ ribs on the left axillary midline. Which organ suffered together with the wound?"
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Továbbá: Google books találatok
Color atlas of trauma pathology
szerzők: Hubert Fischer,C. J. Kirkpatrick,M. E. Aronson
The physician and the law
szerző: Rowland H. Long
The Saturday night special: and other guns with which Americans won the West ... szerző: Robert Sherrill
Orthopaedic physician's assistant techniques
szerző: Donald Ralph Stone,Charles Edward Lambert
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Szokták még bullet groove-ként is használni.
Tehát lőcsatorna = bullet channel or bullet groove
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/SaccoV/katz...
"Take the glass, gentlemen, and examine them for yourselves. If you choose take the word of nobody in that regard. Take the exhibits themselves. Can there be a fairer test than I ask you to submit yourselves to? Eliminate Mr. Fitzgerald from this case, and I will tell you why, I was pressing and had been pressing Mr. Burns, an exceedingly able man and undoubtedly an exceedingly estimabel gentleman of long training and experience, as to whether or not this widening of the nose, the end of the bullet channel or groove, was not something that was common, and then he was succeeded by Mr. Fitzgerald, and, gentlemen, I did not ask Mr. Fitzgerald I believe 15 minutes' worth of questions. "
http://www.sd393.k12.id.us/wjshs/science/forensics/Forensic_...
A bullet track az ugyanaz, mint a bullet pathway, és az a lövedék teljes útját jelenti. A lőcsatorna viszont a lövedék útja a célpontban. A terminal trajectory kifejezés pedig kifejezetten műszaki és fizikai értelmű.
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:iJGG526VKfEJ:sparllc.co...
http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA333988.
"The bullet channel resembles a crater.... The powerful
shock wave increases the area of dead tissue dozens of
times over. An experienced surgeon knows how much
has to be cut away in the case of such wounds."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/508049
"[Possibilities of determining the caliber and the manner and velocity of the shot from the morphology of the bullet channel in the cranial bones]"
https://oa.doria.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/2120/woundbal.pdf...
"43 To hospital an injured patient is delivered by a shooting-iron with strong bleeding. It is set at a review by a surgeon, that a bullet channel got through the anterior wall of stomach, vault of stomach and went out at level ІХ ribs on the left axillary midline. Which organ suffered together with the wound?"
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-10-17 17:30:26 GMT)
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Továbbá: Google books találatok
Color atlas of trauma pathology
szerzők: Hubert Fischer,C. J. Kirkpatrick,M. E. Aronson
The physician and the law
szerző: Rowland H. Long
The Saturday night special: and other guns with which Americans won the West ... szerző: Robert Sherrill
Orthopaedic physician's assistant techniques
szerző: Donald Ralph Stone,Charles Edward Lambert
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-10-17 17:46:13 GMT)
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Szokták még bullet groove-ként is használni.
Tehát lőcsatorna = bullet channel or bullet groove
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/SaccoV/katz...
"Take the glass, gentlemen, and examine them for yourselves. If you choose take the word of nobody in that regard. Take the exhibits themselves. Can there be a fairer test than I ask you to submit yourselves to? Eliminate Mr. Fitzgerald from this case, and I will tell you why, I was pressing and had been pressing Mr. Burns, an exceedingly able man and undoubtedly an exceedingly estimabel gentleman of long training and experience, as to whether or not this widening of the nose, the end of the bullet channel or groove, was not something that was common, and then he was succeeded by Mr. Fitzgerald, and, gentlemen, I did not ask Mr. Fitzgerald I believe 15 minutes' worth of questions. "
http://www.sd393.k12.id.us/wjshs/science/forensics/Forensic_...
A bullet track az ugyanaz, mint a bullet pathway, és az a lövedék teljes útját jelenti. A lőcsatorna viszont a lövedék útja a célpontban. A terminal trajectory kifejezés pedig kifejezetten műszaki és fizikai értelmű.
Peer comment(s):
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juvera
: Főleg fordításban, mint az idézetek.A chanel azt jelentené, hogy ép, csőszerű hely; a m. szó szerinti fordítása is ide vezetne. Angol: "The abdomen was explored through a paramedian incision and the bullet track was found to be retroperitoneal."
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Lásd google books találatok. Egyébként szokták még bullet groove-nak is hívni, de a bullet track semmiféleképpen sem jó, mert ahogy írtad: a track az a lövedék teljes útvonalát jelzi, a " terminal trajectory" pedig kizárólag hadászati (műszaki) kifejezés.
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Katalin Horváth McClure
: A bullet channel-re is lehet példát találni, amikor a testbe fúródó lőcsatornáról van szó, én azonban mégsem használnám, mert nem egyértelmű: fegyverek, ill. egyéb, lőszereket kezelő gépek esetén is használják, a lövedék ebben a csatornában halad.
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Én azért nem tartom a tracket helyesnek, mert több olyan linkkel találkoztam, ahol a lövedék teljes útjára utalnak: a kilövés pillanatától kezdve a golyó célbaéréséig.
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denny (X)
: Absolutely. This is correct in the context of the question.
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Discussion
A bullet track meghatározása teljesen egyértelmű, olvasd el mégegyszer.
Az első idézett google-bookban: "V is the volume of the bullet channel produced in WOOD" teljesen helytálló, pont ezt magyarázom, hogy HA ez egy olyan lyuk, hogy folyadékot lehet bele önteni....
A másodikban: "cavities of the bullet channel were up to 30 times bullet diameter" - hát igen, ha az öklöm is belefér.
A másik kettő nekem nem hajlandó feltárni a titkait.
Mondjuk úgy, hogy minek erőltetni egy feltételes esetekben használt kifejezést, ha van rá egy precíz, bevett is. Sajnos bíróságon is tolmácsoltam, és fordítottam is már lövedékes sebesülésekről szóló anyagot, sőt, véletlenül pont most is azzal töltöm a szombatot. Én maradok a tracknál. :-)
"The “permanent” wound channel represents the
destructive passage of the bullet itself. The path is
filled with blood and is surrounded by a more or
less wide zone in which the tissue was temporarily
stretched, thus suffering structural damage (“zone of
extravasation”).
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/channel
Main Entry: 1chan·nel
Pronunciation: \ˈcha-nəl\
Function: noun
1 a : the bed where a natural stream of water runs b : the deeper part of a river, harbor, or strait c : a strait or narrow sea between two close landmasses d : a means of communication or expression: as (1) : a path along which information (as data or music) in the form of an electrical signal passes (2) plural : a fixed or official course of communication <went through established military channels with his grievances> e : a way, course, or direction of thought or action <new channels of exploration> f : a band of frequencies of sufficient width for a single radio or television communication g : channeler
2 a : a usually tubular enclosed passage : conduit b : a passage created in a selectively permeable cell membrane by a conformational change in membrane proteins; also : the proteins of such a passage — compare ion channel
3 : a long gutter, groove, or furrow
4 : a metal bar of flattened U-shaped section
Schusskanal {m} [Schusswunde]
bullet channel
Tehát valószínűleg a "bullet channel"-t fogom preferálni.