Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

Primera Deriva (segunda deriva... etc.)

English translation:

1st Dérive (2nd Dérive...etc.)

Added to glossary by Carolina Gazzaneo
Oct 8, 2007 23:30
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Spanish term

Primera Deriva (segunda deriva... etc.)

Spanish to English Art/Literary Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting Cultural Criticism
These are subtitles throughout the text I'm working on. So there is no context to speak of. I have found the phrase on Google but can't figure out how to translate it.
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Oct 10, 2007 17:32: Carolina Gazzaneo Created KOG entry

Oct 10, 2007 17:32: Carolina Gazzaneo changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/587484">Carolina Gazzaneo's</a> old entry - "Primera Deriva (segunda deriva... etc.)"" to ""1st Dérive (2nd Dérive...etc.)""

Discussion

MSuderman (asker) Oct 9, 2007:
Context... Here is the first paragraph, if it helps:

PRIMERA DERIVA
“Ferdydurke se publicó en 1937, un año antes que La náusea, pero como Sartre era famoso y Gombrowicz seguía siendo desconocido, La náusea ocupó en la historia de la novela en lugar que hubiera correspondido a Gombrowicz.” De este modo recordaba Milan Kundera, más que la que suele considerarse como obra fundamental del polaco Witold Gombrowicz, el destino del escritor.
MSuderman (asker) Oct 9, 2007:
Context... As I said, they are subtitles, and the context doesn't help much. Google has many references to "primera deriva" and "segunda deriva." I know it means something like "first part" and "second part" but I'm wondering if there's a better translation for it. Context follows:
Anne Smith Campbell Oct 8, 2007:
Could it be to do with "first consequence" or something like it? It would be interesting to know what the text under each subtitle is about, or even the general title. Context in any case. :)
Lydia De Jorge Oct 8, 2007:
'Deriva' tiene multiples significados...sin contexto es imposible determinar

Proposed translations

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1st Dérive (2nd Dérive...etc.)

The term Dérive is a concept coined by the Situationists, a somewhat extreme cultural group, to describe a certain outlook on urban environments. I am not an expert on the subject, but looking up *Gombrowicz* and *situationism* in google results in 584 matches, so... I would risk leaving it as 1st Dérive, 2nd Dérive and so on.
Peer comment(s):

agree Patricia Rosas : I found this in Babylon: "Dérive is the situationist practice of drifting about a geographical space."
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I'm not sure that it has anything to do with the situationists (the text is not actually about Gombrowicz) but you did steer me in the right direction: I found several articles online that use "première dérive," "deuxième dérive," etc to separate the sections of an article."
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First Premise

or, the first plot for a book, novel, memoir...
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First period

La etapa inicial de un escritor, "first period", lo que ocurre en sus inicios. Creo.
http://www2.ku.edu/~sfcenter/intro.htm
Saludos.
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First Sidetrack

Per context, he was sidetracked by a more famous author. Evidently it happened more than once.
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First Evolutionary Phase

The text seems to be tracing evolutionary phases of development, similar to the term "deriva genética" which is defined as "Biol. - Evolución del genoma de una población a lo largo de sucesivas generaciones" (I have attached a link to DRAE)
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First Derivation

Lo más cercano lo encuentro en:

Thesaurus: Synonyms
3. derivation - a line of reasoning that shows how a conclusion follows logically from accepted propositions

illation, inference - the reasoning involved in drawing a conclusion or making a logical judgment on the basis of circumstantial evidence and prior conclusions rather than on the basis of direct observation

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