Oct 16, 2010 23:54
13 yrs ago
Spanish term
United States
servicios para autores académicos
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English
sin calidad asegurada, del servicio público
Spanish to English
Social Sciences
Government / Politics
21st century crises
I'm really having problem with the middle of this sentence:
El eterno debate entre la presunta eficacia, pero egoísta, de la iniciativa privada y la garantía de una cierta justicia, pero sin calidad asegurada, del servicio público, se ha saldado hoy de manera contundente a favor de la segunda.
So far, I have:
eternal debate between the presumed, but selfish, efficiency of private initiative and the guarantee of a certain justice, but ***not a secure one, of public service,*** and the outcome today is bluntly in favor of the latter.
I don't see how "public service" fits in here (and this is quotation from an article in El País).
El eterno debate entre la presunta eficacia, pero egoísta, de la iniciativa privada y la garantía de una cierta justicia, pero sin calidad asegurada, del servicio público, se ha saldado hoy de manera contundente a favor de la segunda.
So far, I have:
eternal debate between the presumed, but selfish, efficiency of private initiative and the guarantee of a certain justice, but ***not a secure one, of public service,*** and the outcome today is bluntly in favor of the latter.
I don't see how "public service" fits in here (and this is quotation from an article in El País).
Proposed translations
(English)
Proposed translations
3 hrs
Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Each translation a gem!
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English
Related KudoZ points
:
468
Selected
[the promise of a certain justice,] if not guaranteed, by a government that serves the public
For my interpretation to make sense, "garantía" is not as strong as "asegurada"
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you, Muriel. Very nicely put!"
-1
6 mins
Rosa Paredes
Canada
Canada
Native in Spanish
&
English
Works in field
Canada
Criminal, Civil and Immigration Law
Native in: English 
, Spanish (Variants: Latin American, Chilean, Standard-Spain, Mexican)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
32
unsecured guarantee
la garantía ... del servicio público is an ansecured guarantee
If you provide an unsecured guarantee, your property is still at risk for payment of the debt. However, before the lender can use your property to recover ...
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30 Sep 2010 ... Anyone seeking for an unsecured guarantee loan at low interest rate can contact me on [email protected] with the amount needed.
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etc. ....
If you provide an unsecured guarantee, your property is still at risk for payment of the debt. However, before the lender can use your property to recover ...
www.aussielegal.com.au/informationoutline~nocache~1~SubTopi... - Cached - Similar
30 Sep 2010 ... Anyone seeking for an unsecured guarantee loan at low interest rate can contact me on [email protected] with the amount needed.
www.nuwireinvestor.com/.../apply-for-your-unsecured-guarant... - Cached
etc. ....
Peer comment(s):
| disagree |
Jennifer Levey
: The ST has nothing to do with secured guarantees - it's about public vs private approaches to business management.
12 mins
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23 mins
Jennifer Levey
Chile
Chile
Native in English
Chile
Human-scale Globalization
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, French to English, English to Spanish, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
78
Spanish term (edited):
sin calidad asegurada
no guarantee of quality
Note that 'del servicio público' qualifies 'una cierta justicia', not 'calidad asegurada'.
la garantía de una cierta justicia, pero sin calidad asegurada, del servicio público
--> (to a first aproximation)
the assurance of a certain degree of fair-play, albeit with no guarantee of quality, of the public service
la garantía de una cierta justicia, pero sin calidad asegurada, del servicio público
--> (to a first aproximation)
the assurance of a certain degree of fair-play, albeit with no guarantee of quality, of the public service
Note from asker:
| thanks for shedding some light on this! |
30 mins
Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Jamaica
Native in English
Jamaica
Translating the Ideas Behind the Words
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
116
but an unassured quality of public service
My reading:
El eterno debate entre la presunta eficacia, pero egoísta, de la iniciativa privada y la garantía de una cierta justicia, pero sin calidad asegurada, del servicio público, se ha saldado hoy de manera contundente a favor de la segunda.
The eternal debate between the presumed, but selfish efficiency of the private initiative and the guarantee of certain justice, but an unassured quality of public service, today forcibly favors the latter outcome.
The public service qualifies "certain justice". That is how I read it.
Suerte!
El eterno debate entre la presunta eficacia, pero egoísta, de la iniciativa privada y la garantía de una cierta justicia, pero sin calidad asegurada, del servicio público, se ha saldado hoy de manera contundente a favor de la segunda.
The eternal debate between the presumed, but selfish efficiency of the private initiative and the guarantee of certain justice, but an unassured quality of public service, today forcibly favors the latter outcome.
The public service qualifies "certain justice". That is how I read it.
Suerte!
1 hr
José J. Martínez
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
&
English
United States
ENSP, More than 30 years experience
Native in: English (Variant: US) , Spanish (Variant: Latin American)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
Related KudoZ points
:
8
but without the public service assurance of quality
pero sin calidad asegurada, del servicio público...the comma should not be there
+1
2 hrs
Andrew Cox
Australia
Australia
Native in English
Specializes in field
Australia
Spanish-English translations
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English
...guarantee of a level of social justice, although not necessarily of quality...
I don't presume to speak for the U.S. but certainly in Australia we would use the terms private sector and public sector in this context. Essentially the excerpt is comparing services as provided by commercial enterprises and those offered by government. Hence my (not particularly literal) translation: "The eternal debate between individualist private sector efficiency and the guarantee of a level of social justice, although not necessarily of quality, offered by the public sector..."
Note from asker:
| Thank you for thinking outside the box. I believe (given the rest of the context in the document) that you've come the closest thus far to the author's intended meaning. Gracias!! |
4 hrs
without quality assurance of public service
most proximate
Discussion
These days the endless debate about the alleged efficiency of private initiative (albeit selfish) and the guarantee of some justice offered by public provision (albeit of uncertain quality) has resoundingly … blah
Your translation will need to take account of the target readership. If it's for the US (of A), you'll need to spell it all out in words of one syllable; if it's for Europe a literal translation will be 'good enough'.